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Episode 2:17 Review & DiscussionPage: Topic RSSEpisode 2:17 Review & Discussion Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) April 16, 2015

6:25 pmMaj. StrykerFort Worth, TX

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AgentLevelX said

It was a very enjoyable episode. For me, just knowing the backstory was worth it regarding "The Cavalry", but it was nice that it did tie into what is happening with Skye and Raina in Afterlife.

As for the "Real" SHIELD plotline, I can understand May’s hesitation, but I agree with those who say she is playing along to try to help Coulson/undermine Gonzo. Apparently Gonzales was hibernating or waxing his mustache during the Chitauri invasion. Think about it…everyone on the helicarrier knew about Thor and to some extent about Loki. So alien species coming to Earth is not a secret anymore. Gonzales’ character seems to be some sort of xenophobic isolationist, with his head in the sand. He belongs on the world security council.

Anyway, regarding the Theta protocol:

Reveal Spoiler

The Greek letter, theta, was used as an abbreviation/symbol of "Death", thanatos. (Remove a syllable and what do you get?) It was painted next to the names of famous gladiators or persons in frescoes who had died after the original painting had been completed, for instance. It was considered unlucky. Since Greek letters were used in place of numerals, delta (4) and epsilon (5) were often written next to each other to take the place of theta.

In Egypt, a very similar symbol was used to denote the Earth.

Combining the two..maybe the Theta Protocol is gathering up the Index/Gifted/Powereds and unleashing them, almost Pyhrrically, against an alien/Inhuman invasion. The Earth is unlucky and brings death.

That’s an interesting theory, and very plausible.  Remember in S1E13 T.R.A.C.K.S. Coulson told Ward if his fling with May caused problems, he’d "have him guarding Blonsky’s cryo-cell in Alaska."  Does that mean Abomination is coming back?  What about possible experiments similar to Bucky before he got his brain on right?

A bit off topic, what did T.A.H.I.T.I. stand for?  I remember (or I think I remember) seeing it but I’m not sure.

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6:56 pmHawkeye86NY

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August 17, 2014 Offline42

Maj. Stryker said

AgentLevelX said

It was a very enjoyable episode. For me, just knowing the backstory was worth it regarding "The Cavalry", but it was nice that it did tie into what is happening with Skye and Raina in Afterlife.

As for the "Real" SHIELD plotline, I can understand May’s hesitation, but I agree with those who say she is playing along to try to help Coulson/undermine Gonzo. Apparently Gonzales was hibernating or waxing his mustache during the Chitauri invasion. Think about it…everyone on the helicarrier knew about Thor and to some extent about Loki. So alien species coming to Earth is not a secret anymore. Gonzales’ character seems to be some sort of xenophobic isolationist, with his head in the sand. He belongs on the world security council.

Anyway, regarding the Theta protocol:

Reveal Spoiler

The Greek letter, theta, was used as an abbreviation/symbol of "Death", thanatos. (Remove a syllable and what do you get?) It was painted next to the names of famous gladiators or persons in frescoes who had died after the original painting had been completed, for instance. It was considered unlucky. Since Greek letters were used in place of numerals, delta (4) and epsilon (5) were often written next to each other to take the place of theta.

In Egypt, a very similar symbol was used to denote the Earth.

Combining the two..maybe the Theta Protocol is gathering up the Index/Gifted/Powereds and unleashing them, almost Pyhrrically, against an alien/Inhuman invasion. The Earth is unlucky and brings death.

That’s an interesting theory, and very plausible.  Remember in S1E13 T.R.A.C.K.S. Coulson told Ward if his fling with May caused problems, he’d "have him guarding Blonsky’s cryo-cell in Alaska."  Does that mean Abomination is coming back?  What about possible experiments similar to Bucky before he got his brain on right?

A bit off topic, what did T.A.H.I.T.I. stand for?  I remember (or I think I remember) seeing it but I’m not sure.

Terrestrialized Alien Host Integrative Tissue

I’m not sure what the last "I" stood for though. Initiative maybe?

April 16, 2015

7:17 pmMaj. StrykerFort Worth, TX

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April 7, 2015 Offline43

Hawkeye86 said

A bit off topic, what did T.A.H.I.T.I. stand for?  I remember (or I think I remember) seeing it but I’m not sure.

Terrestrialized Alien Host Integrative Tissue

I’m not sure what the last "I" stood for though. Initiative maybe?

Apparently that’s either just an I or a 1, as this page shows – http://marvelcinematicuniverse……A.H.I.T.I

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10:59 pmHaloHawk87Minnesota

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January 24, 2013 Offline44

I thought the new episode was good. It was good to finally get the Cavalry story. Took too long. I don’t like that May was doubting Coulson. It felt out of character. It’s interesting to find out that Raina’s ability is to dream the future.

April 16, 2015

11:22 pmkatrina

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April 9, 2014 Offline45

Afalstein said

weapon_hunter said

So, first about the reunion between Skye, her mom and dad. For sure something was strange there. Skye’s reaction to her year of birthday was strange, her mom for sure is hiding something from Skye and from Cal. She promised that the dinner would be the last time Skye would see him, so it looks like she doesn’t love him anymore (maybe never really loved) and she has more secrets… And this leads to the nightmares Rayna is having. I guess she sees a lot of death and destruction and I believe her nightmare is the future for the inhumans village… maybe Cal will turn the monster again, that detroyed the village in the past and will destroy everything again, after he is forced to leave…

I think Jaiyin definitely loved him once, and to a certain extent feels sorrow for the man he has become.  She said if Skye WANTED him to leave, she’d send him away, but there was no reason to offer that dinner, except for Cal’s sake.

The nightmares, actually, I’m inclined to think, have to do with the impending Age of Ultron.  Possibly also the destruction of the Inhumans village–I get the feeling leaving won’t be as easy as getting there–but the movie is coming up quickly.

Agent Aeryn said

The relationship between Jiaying and Cal is still….off to me. I don’t think they acted weird because of the year (1988..Guardians of the Galaxy tie in?) but to me it looked like they reacted weird when Skye said that that would make her 26 years old. In ep 11 you see Gordon right after he went trough Terrigenisis that was in 1983. Also the "Elder" watching Gordon with Jiaying thanked her for guiding so manygenerations through this. Jiaying then says she won’t live forever. Now Jiaying told Skye she started Liashin so she could help others after she lost Skye right? so something doesn’t add up there.

Oh, that’s a possibility… not the year but the age.  Perhaps 26 is a bad time for Inhumans to "ascend?"  Or, as you suggest, Skye is actually much much older. 

Except the Skye’s infancy is fairly well documented–SHIELD found her as a baby, and after that she was in St. Agnes for most of her life.  Unless she spent several years as a baby.  More likely, Liashin being started to help others is either a plot hole

katrina said

In your second spoiler of your post (don’t Know how to hide spoiler sorry) when is Coulson shown?

Not Coulson–Fury.  There’s a scene from one of the trailers where Fury appears not in his bum disguise, but back in his leather coat, apparently in a position of command (it even looks like he might be on the helicarrier, but it’s impossible to tell).  This could merely be a flashback, but people are hoping for the resurrection of SHIELD.

Who is Jaiyin?

April 16, 2015

11:35 pmkatrina

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April 9, 2014 Offline46

Agent Grey said

Maj. Stryker said

I don’t think May really is turning, just wondering more from a stance of "OK, what’s he going to have that we can use when I find him."  From what we’ve seen of May in S1 and S2, I think she’s playing Bobbi to see where she really stands, nothing more, and I think she knows what Gemma did, and supports it.

I really hope so. A friend said to me after this episode, "If May turns against Coulson and Skye, it would be THE ultimate let-down on this show." I couldn’t agree more. I understand May’s caution, if it’s legitimate and not feigned for Gonza-SHIELD’s benefit, but she also KNOWS Coulson. And she’s known him, not just in the past, but as he is now.

One option is a sanctuary for SHIELD agents and their families, seeing as Hydra just won’t roll over and die, but now that’s less likely.  The other is on the Inhumans line, but we know from the trailers that Ultron has a LOT of robots, and I believe we’ll see the Inhumans helping in the fight.  With respect to Inhumans, it could just be a safe place for them and their families, albeit one where Coulson and SHIELD control their access to exits….

The only thing is (and the complete breakdown in Gonza-SHIELD’s argument is) that Coulson doesn’t know anything about the Inhumans. That’s why he’s hunting down Grant Ward – to try to find out more information about the group of powered people Cal is associated with, because he doesn’t know who they are. This is also why I doubt that an "army" of powered people is on Coulson’s mind – because he doesn’t know yet that there are that many of them out there. Well…I guess he knows that List has been hunting them down and experimenting on them, so maybe he’s aware that there are more of them out there than the average person thinks. So then I guess it would make sense that he could be building a refuge for those he’s planning on rescuing/protecting from List. But he has no idea how far it really goes.

Who is List?

April 16, 2015

11:38 pmkatrina

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April 9, 2014 Offline47

Maj. Stryker said

AgentLevelX said

It was a very enjoyable episode. For me, just knowing the backstory was worth it regarding "The Cavalry", but it was nice that it did tie into what is happening with Skye and Raina in Afterlife.

As for the "Real" SHIELD plotline, I can understand May’s hesitation, but I agree with those who say she is playing along to try to help Coulson/undermine Gonzo. Apparently Gonzales was hibernating or waxing his mustache during the Chitauri invasion. Think about it…everyone on the helicarrier knew about Thor and to some extent about Loki. So alien species coming to Earth is not a secret anymore. Gonzales’ character seems to be some sort of xenophobic isolationist, with his head in the sand. He belongs on the world security council.

Anyway, regarding the Theta protocol:

Reveal Spoiler

The Greek letter, theta, was used as an abbreviation/symbol of "Death", thanatos. (Remove a syllable and what do you get?) It was painted next to the names of famous gladiators or persons in frescoes who had died after the original painting had been completed, for instance. It was considered unlucky. Since Greek letters were used in place of numerals, delta (4) and epsilon (5) were often written next to each other to take the place of theta.

In Egypt, a very similar symbol was used to denote the Earth.

Combining the two..maybe the Theta Protocol is gathering up the Index/Gifted/Powereds and unleashing them, almost Pyhrrically, against an alien/Inhuman invasion. The Earth is unlucky and brings death.

That’s an interesting theory, and very plausible.  Remember in S1E13 T.R.A.C.K.S. Coulson told Ward if his fling with May caused problems, he’d "have him guarding Blonsky’s cryo-cell in Alaska."  Does that mean Abomination is coming back?  What about possible experiments similar to Bucky before he got his brain on right?

A bit off topic, what did T.A.H.I.T.I. stand for?  I remember (or I think I remember) seeing it but I’m not sure.

Who or what is Abomination?

April 17, 2015

12:56 amMaj. StrykerFort Worth, TX

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April 7, 2015 Offline48

katrina said

Who or what is Abomination?

http://www.herogohome.com/wp-c…..nation.jpg

Ed Norton’s Hulk movie, the other Hulk.  Emil Blonsky, the Brit who got stomped into a tree by The Hulk, then the syrum/blood/?? turned him big, green and angry too.

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1:01 amMaj. StrykerFort Worth, TX

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katrina said

Who or what is Abomination?

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2:52 amweapon_hunterDresden, Germany

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March 27, 2014 Offline50

Jaiyin is Skye’s mom. (what the hell, I first wrote it was the city’s name, I think I’m drunk ahahah)

List is a character, a guy from Hydra, that Coulson asked Deathlok to track. He is/was working with Baron von Strucker, which appeared in the post credit scene of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and is one of the HYDRA heads and is experimenting with the twins.

Abomination is the enemy of Hulk in his last movie.

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3:45 amAgent Aeryn

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April 11, 2014 Offline51

weapon_hunter said

List is a character, a guy from Hydra, that Coulson asked Deathlok to track. He is/was working with Baron von Strucker, which appeared in the post credit scene of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and is one of the HYDRA heads and is experimenting with the twins.

Didn’t Coulson also say that Cal or the people from Liashin where in contact with List and/or Baron von Strucker? or something along those lines ?…which could explain the creepy feeling most of us seem to have with that "haven".

Director Coulson: "I can’t believe I am the only one seeing this right now" (Agent May vs. Agent May)April 17, 2015

4:25 amFaldang

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October 27, 2014 Offline52

Regarding the questions about Jaiyin saying that Afterlife was created after Skye was taken: remember that they said that the only way to get in or out was using Gordon’s teleportation (for the sake of simplicity I assume the place is on an inaccessible mountain or something ).

So, even though Jaiyin probably did help a lot of the Inhumans through the transformation, the Afterlife place itself couldn’t have been built before 1983 when Gordon got his powers. So, it’s quite possible it’s not a plot hole, but that they actually built it sometime after 1988

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7:04 amweapon_hunterDresden, Germany

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Agent Aeryn said

weapon_hunter said

List is a character, a guy from Hydra, that Coulson asked Deathlok to track. He is/was working with Baron von Strucker, which appeared in the post credit scene of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and is one of the HYDRA heads and is experimenting with the twins.

Didn’t Coulson also say that Cal or the people from Liashin where in contact with List and/or Baron von Strucker? or something along those lines ?…which could explain the creepy feeling most of us seem to have with that "haven".

I don’t remember Coulson saying exactly this… I think he said he suspected List had involvement with the "people who got Skye" (inhumans) because he knew List was working on people with powers (the twins). But I need to watch again to be sure.

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7:28 amAgent K80

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Maj. Stryker said

Just curious here, how do you tag/hide spoilers?

type what you want, highlight it with your cursor, click on the button (eye symbol)

just like

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this

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1:50 pmAfalstein

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Agent Aeryn said

Didn’t Coulson also say that Cal or the people from Liashin where in contact with List and/or Baron von Strucker? or something along those lines ?…which could explain the creepy feeling most of us seem to have with that "haven".

I don’t think he actually said this, or if he did it was mostly guesswork.  But now I’m remembering the random Inhuman Skye and her mom stopped to chat to, who said he was going "backpacking" in Germany. (actually he mentioned a specific city, but I can’t remember what one, just that it was in Germany.)  Could this Inhuman, willingly or not, be headed for Strucker’s experiments?

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2:06 pmMaj. StrykerFort Worth, TX

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April 7, 2015 Offline56

Actually, he was headed for Prague, in the Czech Republic, but Von Strucker certainly isn’t only in Germany.

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3:46 pmAgent Aeryn

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Afalstein said

Agent Aeryn said

Didn’t Coulson also say that Cal or the people from Liashin where in contact with List and/or Baron von Strucker? or something along those lines ?…which could explain the creepy feeling most of us seem to have with that "haven".

I don’t think he actually said this, or if he did it was mostly guesswork.  But now I’m remembering the random Inhuman Skye and her mom stopped to chat to, who said he was going "backpacking" in Germany. (actually he mentioned a specific city, but I can’t remember what one, just that it was in Germany.)  Could this Inhuman, willingly or not, be headed for Strucker’s experiments?

okay thing with this

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actor (the backpacker) is he played "dirty" in La Femme Nikita and in NCIS Los Angeles and he has played a bad guy before but I don’t remember in which shows…Of course I don’t know all the shows he played in but I have a natural "uh oh" moment when I see him on a show and I’m usually right  😉

 just saying……Director Coulson: "I can’t believe I am the only one seeing this right now" (Agent May vs. Agent May)April 17, 2015

3:54 pmHawkeye86NY

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Agent Grey said

I found myself really frustrated with the attempts in this episode to make Gonza-SHIELD look justified. I’m not sure whether the writers actually want us to sympathize with them, but I still don’t. The scene with Bobbi and May in the quinjet was maddening. It’s such a gut-punch finding out that there’s information the Director’s not telling you? How in the world did Bobbi survive all those years as a secret agent? I hate to tell you, dear, but this is the way covert operations kind of have to work. That’s why, like, they’re called "covert." If everybody knows everything, all the enemy has to do is capture one agent and break them, and they’ve got all the intel. That’s a very DANGEROUS way to operate. So, I’m frustrated with Bobbi. Frankly, hon, you don’t have the RIGHT to know everything. And quit trying to turn May against Coulson. Grrr.

I also found the scene with May, Simmons, and Mack frustrating. Okay, so Coulson is building something. It’s secret. How exactly do we get from "Coulson seems to be building a base" to "Coulson must be creating a super-powered army for some nefarious purpose!" Umm…because he was part of the Avengers initiative? Because Fury brought him back to life using alien biology? Because he has Deathlok working for him (who, newsflash, already worked as a SHIELD agent under his command)? Okay, none of that is proof of this "obsession with powered people" that Mack et al keep asserting Coulson has. It’s a huge non sequitur to go from "building a base" and "has been involved with powered people in the past" to "obsessed with building an army of powered people" without some additional hard evidence. And the only evidence they seem to have is their paranoia. I really, really wanted Simmons and May to call Mack on that faulty logic. I’m going to chalk their failure to do so up to the fact that they were still trying to process what they were finding.

And…really, May? "What does Coulson need with 100 bunk beds?" I dunno, maybe he’s…rebuilding SHIELD? Gah!

It’s what the secret was that’s a big deal. This is something that matches (or exceeds? I don’t remember the exact wording) their current operating budget. Something that nobody has even heard of before but involves massive amounts of money and resources. Something that he lied about to everyone else in order to keep going. And Deathlock refused to rejoin SHIELD at the end of season 1, so that means Coulson tracked him down secretly and recruited him again. Gonzales also said they thought Fury had superpowered people not on the index that he used in missions. Yea Mack seemed to take a leap in logic, but what other explanations are there? 

And as for the bunk beds, Coulson is rebuilding SHIELD, so why would these bunkbeds be bought secretly for a massive secret project? If it was just a normal purchase it wouldn’t be hidden. 

April 17, 2015

5:19 pmAgent Oak

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February 20, 2014 Offline59

Do you guys think Bahrain is the reason May prefers not to use guns as primary weapon?

April 17, 2015

5:53 pmHawkeye86NY

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August 17, 2014 Offline60

Agent Oak said

Do you guys think Bahrain is the reason May prefers not to use guns as primary weapon?

I would think so, but she didn’t take a gun in with her into the building just a knife.

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