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Superheros Appearing on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Wired.com had the opportunity to sit down with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Executive Producer Jeph Loeb and actors Iain De Caestecker and Elizabeth Henstridge to talk about the show, how Iain and Elizabeth’s auditions went and just how will the series tie into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. For the full interview click the link below.

WIRED: …When Thor: The Dark World comes out, can we expect a tip of the hat from S.H.I.E.L.D.?

Jeph Loeb: Wouldn’t that be fun? … Look, it’s never been done before, which is kind of incredible when you think about how many dramas and how many big movies have been out there. There certainly have been television shows that have been spin-offs from movies, but to have an ongoing, ever-changing mythology which is happening first in the comics, and then in the motion pictures, and the movies are coming out at a rate of two a year — these giant tent-pole films that are reaching a billion dollars at the box office, which means that that mythology is being shared around the world. For us to tell stories that exist with not only similar characters, but often shared characters — beginning with Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson — sometimes we have to be very careful. We have to dance between raindrops. But other times, if we know something is going to happen: Can we use that? Can we make that have an impact on the show? And I think we’ll see some of that in a very interesting way.

Elizabeth Henstridge: [teasing] Wouldn’t that be interesting?

WIRED: We’ve already had some very special guest appearances from the Marvel Universe. Can we expect a few more?

Loeb: Well, I think folks know that Titus [Welliver], who played Agent Blake, is coming up in episode six [on November 5]. The short answer is yes. But we’ve said from the very beginning, we didn’t do the show in order to make an Easter Egg farm. We want to make sure that if there are going to be characters, things, winks, that come from anywhere, whether it’s the regular mythology of the comics or the Marvel cinematic universe, that it works within the story. That we’re not doing it just to do it. When I look at Cobie [Smulders]’s appearance in the pilot as Maria Hill, it was really important that the person who reintroduced Coulson into the world was Maria Hill. We needed someone who had the gravitas of one of the major characters from the [Avengers] movie being able to say, “There’s a secret, and we’re not going to be able to share that secret with you, but we’re going to take you on the journey with us.” … If you were part of the Marvel family to begin with, it landed for you in a very different way.

0-8-4 - Copyright ABC inc (19)The same kind of thing [happened] when we talked about Sam Jackson being on the show. There were obviously a number of places that we thought Nick Fury would have a big impact on the show, but the more we talked about it, [we wanted] was to get him in very early, so that it would kind of christen the show, legitimize it in its own way. And when Sam generously agreed to do the show, there was a moment where, for people who watch the show, it was the wowest of wow they could imagine.

But for us as we were standing there on the set the first day, and he said the words “Don’t let FitzSimmons bring on some damned fishtank,” we all just started geeking out, because suddenly we were like “OK, now, now they’re in the family, Director Fury just said ‘FitzSimmons’… so these brand new characters, that didn’t exist in the Marvel Universe, are now firmly entrenched, and it did exactly what we wanted it to do … which was to basically say, these are five new characters who are joining the family.

On the one hand it’s cool to see Agent Blake, on the other hand we’re introducing new characters in every single show. We will by the end of season one have done 22 hours of S.H.I.E.L.D. stories, we will have told more stories in the Marvel Cinematic Universe than all of the movies combined. So our responsibility becomes greater every day, that we make sure we tell stories that are worthy of the Marvel Universe … And when you’ve got people like Joss Whedon and Jed Whedon and Marissa Tancharoen and Jeffrey Bell at the helm, we don’t have anything to worry about. The scripts just keep coming in, and getting better and better.

They went on to discuss FitzSimmons and how both Elizabeth and Iain auditioned for the role among potentials from Canada, Australia and New York and whether or not we will get some back story to the individual characters…

For the full interview head over to wired.com

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  1. Agent Darque says:

    Interesting interview. I went and skimmed the whole thing.

    I have to admit sometimes I get very frustrated with the media. There is this huge question hanging over the show and nobody seems willing to ask about it. Perhaps the journalists just don’t bother to pay attention to the comments that follow almost every single article about the show so they just don’t realize what it is people want to know.

    Yes there are people who would love to see the characters from the movies appear. But truthfully that desire is far below the number of people who just want anybody. The question and I am a huge percentage of the fans out there want to know is this:

    Will any known costumed SuperHeros from the Marvel Universe appear as part of the show?

    Scorch was a big step in the right direction. But it was the bare minimum. We got a name that has been used by 3 different characters and he was not actually any of them. I really hope it is a sign they are going to do more.

    It is not about Easter eggs or little cameos but actual appearances on an episode. The show is about the beginnings of the Marvel Universe. The Avengers have been seen. Pandora’s box is open. Other people are going to come out of the shadows. People that might have been operating in the shadows and protected because nobody really wanted to believe they could exist. But now every reporter on the planet is going to look into every urban legend and every report that got laughed off.

    But you’re not the only ones out there, are you? And you’re not the only threat. The world is filling up with people that can’t be matched, that can’t be controlled!

    This show needs to fulfill that promise and live up to those words. And I really wish the people running the show would actually address that. There is more to the universe than men and women in suits. Tons of types of stories they can tell. But the Heros should be a part of that.

  2. Agent Bleh says:

    So the Captain America 2 was released at it was heavy on SHIELD. I just wish that the TV version of SHIELD was more like the movie version, because it feels like these are two different organizations.

  3. Director E says:

    I think it’s not so much media skipping over that question as them not being willing to answer it. Someone right out asked at NYCC if any of The Avengers would be in S.H.I.E.L.D. for example. Loeb said “wouldn’t that be fun” or something to that effect but avoided actually saying yes or no, the implication I got from his tone was that, there’s every possibility that will happen, but nobody’s going to say. THey’d rather keep things secret and a surprise and I think that’s a great approach myself but then I’ve always been one to dislike spoilers so that definitely leans more towards my own preferences.

    In their defense of this issue, they have said from day one that this was never going to be a show about superheros and if if you’re watching every week hoping they’ll show up you’re missing the show along the way.

    You say “the show is about the beginnings of the Marvel Universe” but at the same time you’re saying the appearances of “superheroes” we’ve seen so far aren’t good enough because they haven’t been in costume. We have had at least one (possibly more) origin story already! I don’t know enough about the comics to answer it myself, but the third episode featured what I assume is an established supervillain – so why isn’t that good enough? Does Gravatron (is that the name) not have a costume? Is that the problem? Is the problem that he’s a villain not a hero?

    I think you’re also overlooking the long term plan we’re only five episodes in to a plan that spans years. If they were to throw every known hero at us thick and fast in the beginning a. people will expect a big name hero every week (and again, that is NOT what this show is supposed to be about) and b. it’ll get boring in a year’s time when they’ve “been there done that”.

  4. Agent Bleh said

    So the Captain America 2 was released at it was heavy on SHIELD. I just wish that the TV version of SHIELD was more like the movie version, because it feels like these are two different organizations.

    TV can’t afford to show the Helicarrier on a regular basis. So they mention it a few times, and they fly around in the Helicarrier’s predecessor, a cargo plane fitted out as a mobile command post/lab/operations center/barracks/interrogation center/training center/containment facility. Maybe for a season finale we’ll get to see it, mostly through stock footage from the movies no doubt.

    We’re following one small team within a giant organization. That way we get to see the same characters every week and get to know them, not have to meet a new crop of SHIELD agents each week as well as a new villain/superhero/artifact or whatever.

    So far, it’s reminding me of the first season of Babylon 5, where every week we got a little tidbit or two that, we later realized, were clues and foreshadowings (pun intended) of the larger plot, but not anything clearly related to what would become a 5-year multi-season epic story arc until episoode 13 out of 22, when we finally got to meet our main villains, The Shadows. And even then all we really saw of them was one 2-second flash of a ship appearing out of nowhere and blowing another ship into dust, and one human who worked for them wandering around asking people some nonsensical questions.

    This being Joss, the Whedon fans in the audience trust him to deliver on a big story…eventually. The comic book fans are getting a bit antsy for someone in spandex to show up. Even I hope a few of them do, but I really don’t want any to join the regular cast, nor do I want to see a new one introduced and disposed of every week like space-time anomalies on Star Trek.

  5. Agent Darque says:

    Let me preface this by saying that *I* am basically happy enough with the show and am willing to give them a chance to do more episodes. What I am talking about is what people in the core fanbase are saying. This is echoed in the articles out there which continue to do things like ‘How can this show be saved?’ and the like. I would submit that half the audience is comic book fans and the other half are fans of the movies. There is a lot of overlap there of course and I watch both groups. But these feelings are also expressed on every big post that rolls through Facebook.

    I think it’s not so much media skipping over that question as them not being willing to answer it. Someone right out asked at NYCC if any of The Avengers would be in S.H.I.E.L.D. for example. Loeb said “wouldn’t that be fun” or something to that effect but avoided actually saying yes or no, the implication.

    That is really an entirely different question than the one I want answered. That is about movie stars. And in particular characters that are fully involved in the movie side of the MCU. It depends on the actors involved more than anything. So his answer makes sense in that he does not know if any particular actor is willing to work cheap and come in to be a part of AoS.

    In their defense of this issue, they have said from day one that this was never going to be a show about superheros and if if you’re watching every week hoping they’ll show up you’re missing the show along the way.

    I understand that but we cannot dictate to people about what they should want. The bulk of the fanbase do not want this show they want something else. Many are giving it a chance because they hope it will become something they do want. But with every new episode I see a few more people announcing they are giving up. I know people should be patient. I get that we are only 5 episodes in. But again people are what they are. If you want to know why the show is very slowly losing audience members that is why.

    By the normal standards of TV shows it is a good one. Good characters, witty dialogue, some nice mysteries and some action thrown in. It should be at least stable or perhaps even gaining new people as it gets going but it is doing the opposite. That is because it is not a normal show and it is not being judged by normal standards.

    You say “the show is about the beginnings of the Marvel Universe” but at the same time you’re saying the appearances of “superheroes” we’ve seen so far aren’t good enough because they haven’t been in costume.

    The simple answer is yes but it is more than that. Comics are a visual medium. It is a combination of art and story. People identify these people by what they look like. But even in the comics a character is more than that. They have a real name, a back story, an origin, and of course powers. They all count because they define the character. Those things connect to a huge history that people have been reading about for all these years. You can make some changes and they will be accepted but take away too much and you disconnect from that history.

    Scorch is a name that has been used by 3 different minor characters. The one we saw on the show was none of them. He is somewhat close to one but barely. His name, his back story, and his origin were all completely different. His powers were in the basic ballpark. I was pleased to see him but frankly it only made a moderate dent in the opinion of the fanbase. I did see a few people say ‘ok at least we are getting somewhere’ but it did not stop the flow of people away from the show as far as I could see.

    We have had at least one (possibly more) origin story already! I don’t know enough about the comics to answer it myself, but the third episode featured what I assume is an established supervillain – so why isn’t that good enough? Does Gravatron (is that the name) not have a costume? Is that the problem? Is the problem that he’s a villain not a hero?

    We have had half of an origin story with Graviton. Until he breaks out and actually does something then it is not complete. As far as what they did it was fine. But it is like foreplay with no sex it is a wee bit frustrating for many. With Scorch they did a little better. If instead of just using the name and his basic powers they had actually given us Scorch completely the effect would have been far better.

    I think you’re also overlooking the long term plan we’re only five episodes in to a plan that spans years. If they were to throw every known hero at us thick and fast in the beginning a. people will expect a big name hero every week (and again, that is NOT what this show is supposed to be about) and b. it’ll get boring in a year’s time when they’ve “been there done that”.

    I am not suggesting they throw in a new hero every week. What I am suggesting that at the very least they need to add one or two in the season. It is hard to explain this to a non-comic book fan I guess but there is a power to an established character.

    Let me try to explain it this way.

    Everybody likes the movies and you know them. Imagine this scenario…

    The Agents are in the middle of a fight. Things are looking bad. Ward is down with a bullet in his chest and the baddies are advancing. Things look dark and maybe the end of our beloved agents is at hand.

    Then Thor lands.

    Just imagine how you personally would feel about that. The rush of it. The feeling of it. This is not about the actual possibility it is only for comparison. Just think about how big of a thrill that would be for you and all the movie fans.

    Ok now. Same situation except the person who arrives is Daredevil, Moon Knight, Black Bolt, Iron Fist, Nighthawk, Guardian or any number of other characters.

    The effect on me would be 10 times the effect Thor would have on you. That is how much these characters mean to me. I grew up with them. They are a part of me the same way that Paul Atriedes from Dune is a part of me or that Aragorn from LOTR is. There is a power to them that cannot be matched. As much as I like all the characters on AoS they simply cannot compare to those people I have known for decades.

    That is what is bugging the comic book fan base. The difference between what AoS offers and what it could be. It is not a small thing it is huge.

    I believe the plan is to incorporate some of the established Marvel costumed heros into the show for an episode or two eventually. And when that happens there will be a ripple through the fanbase that will be huge. As much as I like the show myself I don’t think it can possibly survive if it does not do this. And sooner would be better than later.

  6. Agent Darque says:

    TV can’t afford to show the Helicarrier on a regular basis. So they mention it a few times, and they fly around in the Helicarrier’s predecessor, a cargo plane fitted out as a mobile command post/lab/operations center/barracks/interrogation center/training center/containment facility. Maybe for a season finale we’ll get to see it, mostly through stock footage from the movies no doubt.

    I think he was referring to the tone. In the movies and in particular in Cap 2 they are a serious intense group. AoS is very heavy on the humor. Complaints about this tone have been rampant in the various Forums and chat rooms. Mainly it is because as a TV show AoS is trying to make a show for the whole family. But there is a huge difference.

  7. Agent Darque said
    Everybody likes the movies and you know them. Imagine this scenario…

    The Agents are in the middle of a fight. Things are looking bad. Ward is down with a bullet in his chest and the baddies are advancing. Things look dark and maybe the end of our beloved agents is at hand.

    Then Thor lands.

    Just imagine how you personally would feel about that. The rush of it. The feeling of it.

    “Aw crap, a deus ex machina! Literally, in this case!” That’s what I’d feel. Not elation, annoyance.

    The problem with superheroes in general is that they’re unkillable. Not just because they’re superpowered and bullets bounce off of them, but because they’re established properties that Marvel wants to make money off of for the next ten generations of comic book fans. So they can’t and won’t allow them to be killed off in any meaningful way. So there’s no feeling of danger or suspense or peril.

    The wonderful thing about this show is that it’s NOT about superheroes. It’s about normal people, or at least normal people by the standards of a comic book universe with superheroes in it…normal people facing down and dealing with superpowered ones. Ward and Coulson and May are heroes, but they’re heroes like Batman or James Bond or Indiana Jones. We the viewers get to think, if we just had exercised a bit more as kids, taken a Tae Kwan Do class or two, gone to the FBI academy and taken some close-combat-skills courses like they did, WE could be that badass. Nerds like myself get to think, if we’d done a bit more homework and taken the right math classes in high school, we could have gone to a posh university and trained to be as smart and capable as Fitz and Simmons. We don’t need a super soldier serum, or gamma radiation, or to be born an alien, to be like these guys. They’re relatable.

    They’re also vulnerable: aside from whatever horrid thing they did to bring Coulson back from Tartarus or whatever, these guys can be hurt, they can be killed, they can be scarred and crippled and maimed. They risk something when they go into the field, and not just “I might get knocked around a bit”. If someone like the Hulk grabs them and does the Loki Flail with them, they don’t get up a few minutes later with a hangover-level headache. They get buried with a closed casket because they are mush from the waist up. If they get pinned down in a firefight and wounded, I want to feel that they are really in danger, not that some immune-to-bullets alien is gonna drop in on them and fix the problem for them. When they go into that firefight, I want to feel that they are brave for risking that kind of consequence, not merely confident that one of their superhuman buddies will arrive in the nick of time and save their butts for them.

    Stargate SG-1 also had sufficiently-advanced-alien allies called the Asgard. They sure didn’t bring them in every week to take care of the latest Goa’uld threat. Once a season or two, sure, when the threats got really big, they called up the Asgard and asked for help. About that often, the Asgard had to call on THEM for help. I’d LOVE to see a two-parter episode where Thor arrives and asks SHIELD to send, say, a diplomatic team to act as outside mediators in a dispute between Asgard and Jotunheim or something, with Coulson’s team sent in to investigate the possibility that someone else is trying to sabotage the talks. But there’s 22 episodes in a season, and they probably don’t want to have more than 3-4 established Marvel properties a season actually show up as more than throwaway gags in dialogue or items in Coulson’s memorabilia collection. We’ve had one show up so far, and he’ll undoubtedly be back before the season is out. Whatever organization is behind Centipede, it might be another established Marvel supervillain group, like HYDRA or AIM or the Ten Rings. So maybe we’ve seen another. We might have another 2-3 over the course of the next 15 or so episodes until Graviton comes back. But we’re not gonna see them every other episode, at least not yet. Maybe in a season or two, if the ratings stay reasonably high, and the films continue to do well, we’ll get someone like that female version of Hawkeye added to the cast as a recurring character — not part of the core team, but someone on another team they sometimes work with or run into in the course of their duties. Maybe Skye is Suzi Endo after all. But Joss has enough headaches juggling a half dozen or more characters he didn’t create on the Avengers movies, he probably wants to make his own characters up for the TV show, for the most part.

  8. Director E says:

    Agent Darque said

    I think it’s not so much media skipping over that question as them not being willing to answer it. Someone right out asked at NYCC if any of The Avengers would be in S.H.I.E.L.D. for example. Loeb said “wouldn’t that be fun” or something to that effect but avoided actually saying yes or no, the implication.

    That is really an entirely different question than the one I want answered. That is about movie stars. And in particular characters that are fully involved in the movie side of the MCU. It depends on the actors involved more than anything. So his answer makes sense in that he does not know if any particular actor is willing to work cheap and come in to be a part of AoS.

    No, you misunderstand, his answer is just that he’s NOT TELLING US – they already know full well who they plan to have show up in the series, they’re just choosing not to tell the press about it, it’s all about the “seeekrits”.

    Agent Darque said
    I understand that but we cannot dictate to people about what they should want. The bulk of the fanbase do not want this show they want something else. Many are giving it a chance because they hope it will become something they do want. But with every new episode I see a few more people announcing they are giving up. I know people should be patient. I get that we are only 5 episodes in. But again people are what they are. If you want to know why the show is very slowly losing audience members that is why.

    You cannot dictate what people would want but you must also concede that you cannot dictate what an artist/s wish to create, this is THEIR show and they can do whatever they want with it.

    I also think you’re way too fast to proclaim that “the bulk of” fans of the show are comic book nerds (I don’t use that as a derogatory term just to be clear, I’m a nerd about lots of things), there’s no evidence I have seen to actually support that. I’m not saying you’re wrong BUT of the people I know who watch (and a decent percentage of those on this site from what I’ve observed) most of them are not comic book nerds and some of us have had very little to do with comics. I also know people who had never watched any of the Marvel movies when this show was announced yet they are also watching and enjoying the show, so unless you have hard evidence to back this up, I think it needs to be used with caution when trying to dictate how the show should run. Also, at least according to the TV guide poll that’s running right now, of over 16,000 people that have responded, 68% are happy with the show and a further 15% are giving it more time. So to say that the “bulk” of people are not satisfied is i bit fanciful.

    Agent Darque said

    Let me try to explain it this way.

    Everybody likes the movies and you know them. Imagine this scenario…

    The Agents are in the middle of a fight. Things are looking bad. Ward is down with a bullet in his chest and the baddies are advancing. Things look dark and maybe the end of our beloved agents is at hand.

    Then Thor lands.

    Just imagine how you personally would feel about that. The rush of it. The feeling of it. This is not about the actual possibility it is only for comparison. Just think about how big of a thrill that would be for you and all the movie fans.

    You know what.. I don’t know that I would be over the moon about that scenario because I like the idea of the little people doing big things, the idea that while there are superheroes out there that do suprehero things, it’s good to see the little guys win battles on their own, to say that yes, as ordinary people we can rise above and save the day – I LOVE that idea, if the only way to save the day is to have a superpower step in and say, stand aside kids, I’m here now…well, I don’t find a huge amount of empowerment in that.

    I’m not saying I don’t like Thor – or any other superheroes, but this show isn’t ABOUT them, it’s about the ordinary people that I can relate to.. ordinary people helping others and making a difference in the world DESPITE the fact that they don’t have superpowers.

    I accept that you, and many like you have had comic book characters ingrained as a part of your life for a long time and they mean a lot to you, I don’t have any problem with that, but once again, that is not, nor was it ever intended to be, what this particular series is actually about. You have the movies to bring that world to life for you and in the future, there may well be another Marvel TV series that goes exactly where you’re wanting it to go, were the focus is on the super powered people, but for THIS show, it’s about the team of ORDINARY people.

  9. Agent Darque said
    I think he was referring to the tone. In the movies and in particular in Cap 2 they are a serious intense group. AoS is very heavy on the humor. Complaints about this tone have been rampant in the various Forums and chat rooms. Mainly it is because as a TV show AoS is trying to make a show for the whole family. But there is a huge difference.

    All we’ve seen of Cap 2 so far is a trailer, so we don’t really know how they’re portrayed. In the other movies, mostly we’ve seen them through Coulson (plenty of deadpan humor there, even in the movies), Hawkeye, and Black Widow. Okay, the last two are pretty serious and intense, but so are Ward and May. SHIELD was never a focus of the movies, they were mostly there as either an obstacle to the heroes (some Men In Black have Thor’s Hammer, how’s he gonna get it back?) or an unwanted support network (Tony Stark prefers to work alone). The TV show is all about SHIELD, so they’re gonna be everything from dour workaholics to happy-go-lucky office pranksters. The TV show is also a Whedon family project, and telling them to dial down the humor is like telling Tony Stark to get over himself already. The quips and references that fly fast and furious with Whedonesque dialogue are one of my favorite things about Joss’ shows, because that’s how my friends and family talk to each other. We use so many lines of dialogue from tv and movies in everyday conversation, that when someone doesn’t recognize the source of a joke and asks what movie it’s from, we have a standard tv-show dialogue response with which to inform them that, no, “This is a different thing, it’s spontaneous and it’s called wit.” So as long as the Whedons are running this show, there’s gonna be a lot of humor, and I for one am very happy of that fact. Joss and friends also know how to get very dark when they need to, so that aspect of SHIELD isn’t gonna go away, either.

  10. Agent Creed says:

    I can’t wait to see that.

  11. Customart81 says:

    I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME SUPERHEROES ON THE SHOW. If Daredevil or Iron Fist swooped down off some rooftops to help out Agent Ward and Skye, who are investigating the “Devil of Hell’s Kitchen” or something… I would geek out.

    Good for you out there who want “big things from little people” and no disrespect to you others who would be irritated by super-heroes as a deus ex machina solution… but for me personally… I’d love it. I’m with Agent Darque on this one.

    I mean that’s have to reason the show was exciting to me, in the first place!!! The promise that we’d start to see some print characters on TV!!

    I can’t believe there aren’t more people out there who want the same.

    I get Marvel has to be careful with how it doles out its properties, but the 13 year old inside of me wants to see some superheroes. Now and again, anyway.

    • Director E says:

      But there was never any promise! Right from the start the show’s creators/producers have said this would NEVER be an “Easter Egg Farm” and you shouldn’t go looking for super-characters every week.

  12. Agent Creed says:

    Super Hero’s would be good on the show from time to time but it’s all about how normal agents take on the world of super powers and all that. It’s a good point proven.

  13. Agent Darque says:

    But there was never any promise! Right from the start the show’s creators/producers have said this would NEVER be an “Easter Egg Farm” and you shouldn’t go looking for super-characters every week.

    To a lot of people the promise is implied when you say the show will explore the Marvel Universe. That universe is built on one thing and pretty much one thing alone. So it is naturally that people tuned in with the expectation of seeing a few people in costume. Fury said the world is filling up with people who cannot be matched or controlled but to date we have had little sign of that. We did get Scorch but he was in fact very controlled and on a very short leash it would seem.

    I like this show and I want it to succeed but the how it could be fixed articles keep popping up. Now I read that the audience numbers from the UK have fallen to 50% of the premier. Not sure how popular DVRs are over there so perhaps that is not really an accurate number but still it is troublesome. I want them going up.

    Director you said in a previous post that you cannot dictate to artists what they should create and I agree with that when you are talking about art. But TV is not art it is a product that is intended to be sold. And the rules for a product are far different. You have to consider your market or in this case your audience. The producers are certainly listening to the feedback and reading the same articles that we are. I just hope they are listening. I want this show to succeed.

  14. Director E says:

    That UK article was meant to be dramatic to get hits to the site and make them money, they ALSO noted they had MORE viewers the last episode than the previous one.

    I’m not going to keep going around in circles with you on this Darque but I a final time that what YOU want or think should happen will not change what the creators and owners of the show have said from day one it will be.

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