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January 13, 2015
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AC Ep 1x03 Review & Discussion

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Did you enjoy the developments in this episode?

There were a few painful moments, a great fight scene... the costumes, music, general feel of this show continue to be amazing

what did you think?

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January 13, 2015
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I thought the new episode was very good. The Jarvis phone scene was funny. He did a good job. I can't wait to find out who the mysterious figure is.

January 14, 2015
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- The look and feel is still amazing, kudos for the showrunner for keeping the 40s tone really vibrant (especially after reading the link that K80 referenced in the other thread).
- The action was somewhat toned down though, and I probably was tired seeing the episode after I got back home from a long outing... I actually yawned in the middle of the episode. I hope nobody else was doing that.
- Loved the whole Jarvis' past reveal, and I swear to God if I were in his position I'd smacked Thompson as soon as I could. Did he mentioned WHITEHALL? Oh, and his attempt to sound American was fun.
- Stark loves to invent crazy gadget, doesn't he? And it runs in the family too (see Age of Ultron trailer if you have no clue what I mean).
- So Krezminsky bit the dust... Oh well, he's a sleazy jerk anyway. It's good that it wasn't Sousa that was shot though. I actually felt more for the other guy, not only he had his arm bones fractured but he then got killed *sigh*
- As for the mysterious figure in the shadow who killed both he and the brute witness?

Anyone noticed the way 'he' walked? From what I can catch, that's definitely a woman disguising as a man. And isn't it convenient that Dottie showed up in the apartment at the same night? Hmmm... (also the more the reason to suspect sweet Angel Angie)


- So the cast list was right, no Dum Dum Dugan. A bit disappointed with that, to be honest. That means the preview for next episode is showing things from the 'next episodes', not just the upcoming one. Make sure to remember that when I watch the new ones.

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January 14, 2015
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Another good episode.. bit less action, but a lot more emotions..

Some (potential) Marvel references:

The ballerina reference has significance 2for Black Widow and the russian spy agency as seen from the Avengers trailer, which again provides a link to Leviathan

also, Zandow the strongman is another 1940s henchman who battled Captain America
http://marvel.wikia.com/Zandow.....rth-616%29

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January 14, 2015
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Another good one!
-- Personally I liked the "Previously On..." being a Peggy narration. It really worked for me.
-- Somebody in chat last night compared madame landlady to Umbridge. Thought it was pretty funny; she certainly has made us dislike her.
-- Man, I love Jarvis. Can I have my own Jarvis? Everyone should have one. He's proving a great resource to Peggy. And his American accent wasn't too shabby! I enjoyed when he broke there at the end. We heard a bit more out of his wife, Anna, this week. And we know some of her back story. The fact that we haven't seen her yet has to mean something.

AgentFC said
- Did he mentioned WHITEHALL? Oh, and his attempt to sound American was fun.
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- So Krezminsky bit the dust... Oh well, he's a sleazy jerk anyway. It's good that it wasn't Sousa that was shot though. I actually felt more for the other guy, not only he had his arm bones fractured but he then got killed *sigh*
- As for the mysterious figure in the shadow who killed both he and the brute witness?

Anyone noticed the way 'he' walked? From what I can catch, that's definitely a woman disguising as a man. And isn't it convenient that Dottie showed up in the apartment at the same night? Hmmm... (also the more the reason to suspect sweet Angel Angie)


- So the cast list was right, no Dum Dum Dugan. A bit disappointed with that, to be honest. That means the preview for next episode is showing things from the 'next episodes', not just the upcoming one. Make sure to remember that when I watch the new ones.

-- I thought I heard Whitehall, too. But from the context it was the place in London. (Besides, our "Whitehall" is probably still "Reinhardt" right now.) But it was funny to hear!
-- I'm not too heartbroken over Krzeminski's death. And Peggy is obviously a better person than I am since she was still capable of feeling sorry over it.
-- I did not catch that about the killer, I'll have to go back and re-watch.
-- I felt a little suspicious about Angie last week. But I'm very suspicious of Dottie! There's something about that girl, we'll just have to wait and see what.
-- I didn't even realize we hadn't seen Howard and Dum Dum until the trailer at the end. It seems like the promo we got last week was more for the whole season than for this episode. Hopefully moving forward they're a bit more trustworthy (as much as you can trust a trailer...) So we should be seeing him at some point!

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January 14, 2015
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Great catches in the comments! Loved the episode.

I am suspicious of Dottie as well (I hope it's not Angie who's the evil one; I like her so much!). It makes total sense to think that Dottie might be the mysterious fedora in the shadows, and the ballerina mention could definitely be a reference to Natasha/the Red Room. In fact, my friends and I have been speculating that all of the members of Leviathan could be Winter Soldier/Red Room prototypes. In keeping with the CATWS storyline, it's now 1946, so HYDRA has Bucky in their custody, and they're in the process of making him into the Winter Soldier. Leaving the relationship between HYDRA and Leviathan for further speculation, what if the Bad Guys were trying out different techniques to create super soldiers on these smaller players we see here? Green Suit Guy was taking orders directly from the teletype machine and he also survived a trip out Peggy's window onto the concrete. Now we have a new female player who conveniently moves into Peggy's building who has a background in ballet. Coincidentally, they have just released the new trailer for A2 in which we see

[Spoilers for A2 trailers, fan spec, comics connection]

Natasha apparently flashing back to the Red Room. In the first trailer, we saw her as a ballerina. In the comics, those ballet memories are implanted via brainwashing. Could they have tried this same technique on multiple female super soldier prototypes?

Excited to see where these threads might lead. And Jarvis, OMG, who would have thought he would become such a powerful emotional character? I'm absolutely in love with him. And to think that he goes on to influence little Tony Stark? So much so that he names his AI after him? D'awww! Cry Smile And yes, Jarvis DID mention Whitehall, as a place name, I believe. Just an EE mention, or something more...?

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Agent PC said
And yes, Jarvis DID mention Whitehall, as a place name, I believe. Just an EE mention, or something more...?

Whitehall in London is a road where the vast majority of government buildings are, so I think it isn't a reference to HYDRA's Dr. Whitehall.

And I agree, the assassin at the end did look female. I know something bad was about to happen when the train started to come by and then the mook mentioned the English chick which sealed the deal.

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January 14, 2015
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Agent K80 said
Some (potential) Marvel references:

The ballerina reference has significance 2for Black Widow and the russian spy agency as seen from the Avengers trailer, which again provides a link to Leviathan

also, Zandow the strongman is another 1940s henchman who battled Captain America
http://marvel.wikia.com/Zandow.....rth-616%29

I thought the same thing when Dottie mentioned 'ballerina', especially with the perfect timing with it being shown in Age of Ultron trailer. Also had a hunch that strongman would be a comic book character, similar to Leet Branis.
Great catch K, as always Wink

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-- Somebody in chat last night compared madame landlady to Umbridge. Thought it was pretty funny; she certainly has made us dislike her.
-- Man, I love Jarvis. Can I have my own Jarvis? Everyone should have one. He's proving a great resource to Peggy. And his American accent wasn't too shabby! I enjoyed when he broke there at the end. We heard a bit more out of his wife, Anna, this week. And we know some of her back story. The fact that we haven't seen her yet has to mean something.
-- I thought I heard Whitehall, too. But from the context it was the place in London. (Besides, our "Whitehall" is probably still "Reinhardt" right now.) But it was funny to hear!
-- I'm not too heartbroken over Krzeminski's death. And Peggy is obviously a better person than I am since she was still capable of feeling sorry over it.

Aaah, the landlady does resemble Umbridge! I like the landlady though, her stern attitude is something I would do if I were in her position (read: don't even try to mess around with me if I'm boss LOL).
Yeah, it seems the Whitehall here is a name of a place. Thanks Hawkeye86 for pointing that one (with your eagle eye? Wink).
Well Peggy kinda feel bad for Krzeminski since she's the one who insisted Jarvis to call the SSR guys to come. That also fit her resilient in the previous episodes that everyone connected to her would ended up getting killed. Beside, if someone else had agreed to take his shift, Krzeminski would've been sleazing around cheating on his wife that night instead.

And agree, I would love to have a Jarvis! But that means I'd be Howard Stark... hmmm. Would love that too Laugh

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Agent PC said

I am suspicious of Dottie as well (I hope it's not Angie who's the evil one; I like her so much!). It makes total sense to think that Dottie might be the mysterious fedora in the shadows, and the ballerina mention could definitely be a reference to Natasha/the Red Room. In fact, my friends and I have been speculating that all of the members of Leviathan could be Winter Soldier/Red Room prototypes. In keeping with the CATWS storyline, it's now 1946, so HYDRA has Bucky in their custody, and they're in the process of making him into the Winter Soldier. Leaving the relationship between HYDRA and Leviathan for further speculation, what if the Bad Guys were trying out different techniques to create super soldiers on these smaller players we see here? Green Suit Guy was taking orders directly from the teletype machine and he also survived a trip out Peggy's window onto the concrete. Now we have a new female player who conveniently moves into Peggy's building who has a background in ballet. Coincidentally, they have just released the new trailer for A2 in which we see

[Spoilers for A2 trailers, fan spec, comics connection]

Natasha apparently flashing back to the Red Room. In the first trailer, we saw her as a ballerina. In the comics, those ballet memories are implanted via brainwashing. Could they have tried this same technique on multiple female super soldier prototypes?

From what I can observe with Marvel's marketing strategy... nothing is 'coincidental'. The timing of most trailer release/announcement seemed to have been planned nicely. For example, Agent Carter's premiere and Ant-Man (Peggy is in the movie), the EW Cover for Age of Ultron that was followed by Civil War announcement, and then the Inhuman reveal in AoS after the movie Inhumans was announced.

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From what I can observe with Marvel's marketing strategy... nothing is 'coincidental'. The timing of most trailer release/announcement seemed to have been planned nicely. For example, Agent Carter's premiere and Ant-Man (Peggy is in the movie), the EW Cover for Age of Ultron that was followed by Civil War announcement, and then the Inhuman reveal in AoS after the movie Inhumans was announced.

Yeah, the fact that they've almost brought marketing to a level of an art form is one of the reasons why I love Marvel Studios so much :)

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This episode was a little slow for my taste. I guess I've gotten spoiled with all the action of AoS because I wanted to see more action. I also felt that there wasn't much story development. It seemed more of a filler episode because of there wasn't anything really worth seeing. The only big thing that happened was discovering some of Stark's weapons. Yes, I said some because if that was all that was stolen then those are pretty stupid crooks and makes the hunt for the weapons to seem very minor. Besides it is way too soon to find all the weapons. That muscle paralyzer/bone breaker device was a bit viciously cool though. By the way, what is The Red Room?

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katrina said
By the way, what is The Red Room?

In the comics the Red Room was a program the Soviets used to turn young women into spies through training and some experimentation. Natasha Romanova was trained in the Red Room. Shots from the first two Age of Ultron trailers show what many believe are flashbacks to our Natasha Romanoff's days in the Red Room.

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